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The Way Out · Feb 27, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

I agree that is pretty much awful advice to give to someone. Having 32+ energy is a waste instead of using raw HP. Energy regens no matter what(unless hexes and -1/15 weapon swaps) while HP does not.

Swapping from a 15^50 bow to a +5e bow is all you should need.

My Ranger has 590+ Health and 35 Energy on a bow swap. What are you talking about?

Akaraxle · Feb 28, 2008, 09:19 AM // 09:19

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

My Ranger has 590+ Health and 35 Energy on a bow swap. What are you talking about?

So you're saying that because your ranger has 35 Energy, it is a good idea to have 35 Energy?

The Way Out · Feb 28, 2008, 03:42 PM // 15:42

I am saying that you should have 32-35 available to you with weapon swapping as a Ranger. I maintain that opinion based off of personal preference and I don't pvxwiki builds... as many do here. I also PvP/PvE and remain unbiased when it comes to standards that people swear by.

If you are a good player (average)... then stick with higher energy, because in the event that you begin to spam... which many people do... you have a larger pool to play with and aren't limited to slow pip regen.

If you are a great player... you wouldn't be asking any of us and you know about synergy and e-management.

Lastly, if you are here to trash talk me, see me in PvP and let that determine things. Also, bring your cookie-cutter gimmicks and I will let my builds either stand or fall to them. I know my worth as a player and trust my judgment.
Personally, I go for 32-35 energy as a Ranger with a weapon swap, and normally cast a high prep early on. In PvP, I normally go R/P and utilize echoes. To each his own. It works for me. I maintain high health and a good pool of energy. It my energy gets tapped I don't suffer the same as Magebanes or Melandru's... or whatever other standard there is now. Also... I use spears as a Ranger... go figure. hahahaha

pygar · Feb 28, 2008, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by Akaraxle

So you're saying that because your ranger has 35 Energy, it is a good idea to have 35 Energy?

Just because it is possible to get by with less doesn't mean having more is wrong. (TheWayOut is talking about his max on a weapon switch-he only has 5 more energy than my ranger currently) Sure expertise can reduce the energy cost for ranger skills, but does nothing for spells like conjure flame or other expensive skills that people might try for a new build. It sounds like TheWayOut actually has that much to keep Apply Poison going in long battles with a 12 expertise or less- he could also be trying to hide his power from E-denial with weapon swaps.

So yes, it can be a good idea depending on how you build your ranger and what you plan to encounter with it to have higher energy.

ender6 · Feb 28, 2008, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by pygar

...he could also be trying to hide his power from E-denial with weapon swaps...

Yeah, I hate it when Mesmers e-deny my ass when I play a Ranger.

In all seriousness, there is no need to sacrifice health in order to buff up your Ranger's energy, that's why they have expertise. Stop giving bad advice to a novice Ranger.

This is akin to Monk's who run around with 55+ energy and proudly ping it, but 10 seconds after a fight begins they are pinging how they now have 0 energy. Or Ele's who boast that they 100+ energy, and die in one hit. Learn to 1) use the skills on your bar, 2) manage your energy, and 3) not be squishy.

isamu kurosawa · Feb 28, 2008, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

I am saying that you should have 32-35 available to you with weapon swapping as a Ranger. I maintain that opinion based off of personal preference and I don't pvxwiki builds... as many do here. I also PvP/PvE and remain unbiased when it comes to standards that people swear by.

If you are a good player (average)... then stick with higher energy, because in the event that you begin to spam... which many people do... you have a larger pool to play with and aren't limited to slow pip regen.

If you are a great player... you wouldn't be asking any of us and you know about synergy and e-management.

Lastly, if you are here to trash talk me, see me in PvP and let that determine things. Also, bring your cookie-cutter gimmicks and I will let my builds either stand or fall to them. I know my worth as a player and trust my judgment.
Personally, I go for 32-35 energy as a Ranger with a weapon swap, and normally cast a high prep early on. In PvP, I normally go R/P and utilize echoes. To each his own. It works for me. I maintain high health and a good pool of energy. It my energy gets tapped I don't suffer the same as Magebanes or Melandru's... or whatever other standard there is now. Also... I use spears as a Ranger... go figure. hahahaha

A good player wouldn't mindlessly spam to use up their energy.

Also, nobody mentioned using cookie cutter builds or pvx. You just seem to be out for a confrontation.

Now for an example of good advice:

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Originally Posted by ender6

Yeah, I hate it when Mesmers e-deny my ass when I play a Ranger.

In all seriousness, there is no need to sacrifice health in order to buff up your Ranger's energy, that's why they have expertise. Stop giving bad advice to a novice Ranger.

This is akin to Monk's who run around with 55+ energy and proudly ping it, but 10 seconds after a fight begins they are pinging how they now have 0 energy. Or Ele's who boast that they 100+ energy, and die in one hit. Learn to 1) use the skills on your bar, 2) manage your energy, and 3) not be squishy.

HawkofStorms · Feb 28, 2008, 05:42 PM // 17:42

The best way to have your "energy increase" is to manage your energy better. I used to use a +15/-1 regen wand on my ele all the time when I was new to the game. Then I started to manage my energy better and now I never need that much.
Put more points in expertise, don't spam interupts on recharge, and take more 5 energy rather then 10 energy attack skills.

The Way Out · Feb 28, 2008, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

A good player wouldn't mindlessly spam to use up their energy.

Also, nobody mentioned using cookie cutter builds or pvx. You just seem to be out for a confrontation.

Now for an example of good advice:

If you read back a bit, people were looking for a confrontation when they totally negated anything I had to say, and blatantly ignored the fact that I spoke of a weapon swap.

Also, pvxwiki builds tell you exactly what to run when you are a Ranger and that is all. That is what I meant by that. People that take a build, run it, and swear that is the only way to run a class fit into this category.
I have varying Ranger builds, as do a lot of people that play gw. When e-denial happens... what do you do? I am curious... because I was taught to have different weapon sets.
Also, I am not just a bow Ranger, as are a lot of people that speak of Rangers... as if you are limited to what you can and can't do. So, in short, I didn't post my comments as a means of confrontation, and I didn't post my original comment to be bashed either, I did it to be helpful. If you are going to bash me, test me in PvP. Otherwise... talk... talk... talk... and... oh yeah... talk

ender6 · Feb 28, 2008, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

If you read back a bit, people were looking for a confrontation when they totally negated anything I had to say, and blatantly ignored the fact that I spoke of a weapon swap.

Please don't insult us by obfuscating the facts.

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

27 is very low for a good Ranger. You should be around 32-35. Look into weapon swapping.

The bashing stemmed from this. 'nuff said. No need to prolong the argument here, you've already conceded by attempting to down play your comments. Let it go.

The Way Out · Feb 28, 2008, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by ender6

Please don't insult us by obfuscating the facts.

The bashing stemmed from this. 'nuff said. No need to prolong the argument here, you've already conceded by attempting to down play your comments. Let it go.

People love quoting me... haha....

27 is low for a Ranger

Also, I spoke of a weapon swap in this thread. So take your own advice and stop covering the truth to "obfuscate" trollish behavior.

Still no takes on the PvP... huh... still talking... nothing outlasts the long winded trolls... they keep going... and going... and going... get it? Energizer Trolls?

aapo · Feb 28, 2008, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

I am saying that you should have 32-35 available to you with weapon swapping as a Ranger. I maintain that opinion based off of personal preference and I don't pvxwiki builds... as many do here. I also PvP/PvE and remain unbiased when it comes to standards that people swear by.

- You got 7-10 energy too many. It affects your survival, since you have energy armor mods. Your extra energy also does nothing to help your energy management. When you're burning energy for skills at constant rate and it stays at ~10 during the match, it makes no difference what it was at the start. On the other hand having higher health gives buffer against spikes and helps the Monk to keep you alive. If you don't care about survival then taking major/superior rune to boost skill effectiveness or energy management of Expertise a good choice. It's common knowledge for anyone who understands how the game works.

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

If you are a good player (average)... then stick with higher energy, because in the event that you begin to spam... which many people do... you have a larger pool to play with and aren't limited to slow pip regen.

- Foolishness of this advice is just too much. What makes average players average is the very fact that they make bad choices with their characters!

Razz Thom · Feb 28, 2008, 07:02 PM // 19:02

I have to say that 27 may be low for your ranger but I only have 25 energy on mine and I never remember to swap my bow out (probably because I never run out of energy). Self control and skill use determine good ranger use not 32-35 energy. If you can't fight out of a hole with 1/3 that amount something may not be right.

This isn't a personal attack, just a simple observation. Expertise > huge e-pool.

isamu kurosawa · Feb 28, 2008, 07:31 PM // 19:31

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

People love quoting me... haha....

27 is low for a Ranger

Also, I spoke of a weapon swap in this thread. So take your own advice and stop covering the truth to "obfuscate" trollish behavior.

Still no takes on the PvP... huh... still talking... nothing outlasts the long winded trolls... they keep going... and going... and going... get it? Energizer Trolls?

Thats the point. it isnt low for a ranger as rangers don't need more energy than their basic armour gives them to be effective. More hp or armour is far more useful.

The Meth · Feb 28, 2008, 07:37 PM // 19:37

On the other hand, you can think of it this way:

If you have a good team, you will not die, whether your health is 500 or 600
If you have more energy, you may be able to use more skills in a battle.

In this case armor and health provide nothing, energy has some bonus.

The Way Out · Feb 29, 2008, 01:59 PM // 13:59

Just a packhunter alone... nevermind other builds... requires far more than 27 energy. That is a point I am attempting to make right now. [skill]Rampage As One[/skill] is 25 energy. Try casting that after getting rezzed in PvP with 27 energy and tell me how that works for you?

ender6 · Feb 29, 2008, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

Just a packhunter alone... nevermind other builds... requires far more than 27 energy. That is a point I am attempting to make right now. [skill]Rampage As One[/skill] is 25 energy. Try casting that after getting rezzed in PvP with 27 energy and tell me how that works for you?

Your defending your ridiculous argument with a packhunter build, which is a spear-chucker? Why stop there? How about a trapper who has around 47+ energy? or how about a gay touch-ranger?

The Way Out · Feb 29, 2008, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by ender6

Your defending your ridiculous argument with a packhunter build, which is a spear-chucker? Why stop there? How about a trapper who has around 47+ energy? or how about a gay touch-ranger?

How about they are all ranger builds, numbnuts. That is my point. Rangers are not limited to bow attacks... as I have stated earlier. Now you are starting to piss me off. I used the packhunter as an example, not as the basis of my argument. However, you just proved a couple things for me. One, you are retarded and like pointing out dumb shit. Two, I am arguing with mental midgets. Three arguing with you is like beating my head against a wall and expecting it to cure my headache.

Lastly, thank you for proving my point... Rangers stuck at 27 energy are limited to a couple builds that you just can't screw up, nevermind e-management. Apply Poison... shoot... Magebane... shoot... Whirling Defense... reapply... shoot... call myself great... shoot...

ender6 · Feb 29, 2008, 04:01 PM // 16:01

You are apparently as bright as your Avatar suggests.
You don't know how to argue.

A novice ranger came onto a Q&A forum asking for advice about energy, you replied tersely stating that 27 energy is low for a GOOD ranger. Which in and of itself is ridiculous. Further, you then claimed you were completely refering to weapon swap methods. Then you proceeded to challenge anyone willing to a PvP 1x1 (what the hell that would prove makes little sense to me). Then you followed that up with a spear chucker build as an example of what exactly?
Learn to compose your thoughts and articulate them in a proper fashion and stop going on the defensive. You mispoke, fine. Suck it up and move on. Stop behaving like a neolithic punk.

This has boiled down to you making an idiot of yourself.

You really shouldn't be giving advice, you should be taking it.

quickmonty · Feb 29, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13

I pity the guy that originally asked the question. His head is now spinning from all this. Please remember that Q&A is just that .... for questions and answers. Take the tech talk over to an appropriate forum and argue there as much as you want. People asking questions here want relatively simple answers.

And the challenge to 1vs1 PvP is just childish.

The Way Out · Feb 29, 2008, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by ender6

You are apparently as bright as your Avatar suggests.
You don't know how to argue.

A novice ranger came onto a Q&A forum asking for advice about energy, you replied tersely stating that 27 energy is low for a GOOD ranger. Which in and of itself is ridiculous. Further, you then claimed you were completely refering to weapon swap methods. Then you proceeded to challenge anyone willing to a PvP 1x1 (what the hell that would prove makes little sense to me). Then you followed that up with a spear chucker build as an example of what exactly?
Learn to compose your thoughts and articulate them in a proper fashion and stop going on the defensive. You mispoke, fine. Suck it up and move on. Stop behaving like a neolithic punk.

This has boiled down to you making an idiot of yourself.

You really shouldn't be giving advice, you should be taking it.

First... I gave advice to him and said that 27 was low for a good Ranger... and i still stand by that.

Second... I was taught to weapon swap and I honestly believe that someone who doesn't is hampering his ability in the game.

Third... People latched onto me in this thread and started slamming me for giving bad advice, when I was giving my own personal advice (do to personal experience in both PvE and PvP). To each his own as they say.

Fourth... Is that if you are willing to challenge me in threads and slam my opinions, please have the balls to do so ig also and let our builds, health, energy determine who is right and wrong. It's not childish... however, trolling all over the place and talking the talk and not walking the walk is childish and weak. Pathetic, I may add... I honestly feel like people here are cliqued-up trolls that bash anyone who plays the game a different way than they do, and I still maintain one of the better guilds in the game... trolls will be trolls I guess! Also, challenging people to 1vs1 would prove a lot to me. Wasting your damn breathe and quoting me to suit your trolling doesn't quite seem like anything other than what it is... bad sportsmanship, lack of understanding, and trollistic selective quoting.

Fifth... I used a "spear-chucker" build as an example of a build where having 27 energy is absolutely the wrong thing to do... or does your feeble mind only grasp first words in sentences and go on the angry belligerent defense? Also, I thanked you for giving further examples of builds where 27 energy doesn't cut it... (i.e. trappers, touchers, etc..).

Sixth... If you run the same build in every mission, every PvP match, and every campaign, you are an average player to me. If you only have one weapon and don't swap at all, you are an average players to me. If you refuse to expand your mind beyond pvxwiki, you are an average player to me. "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." - Herbert Spencer (that was for the neolithic punk comment, because you are refuting every comment I make based on a failed limited standard set for your "average" Ranger, and I mean average).

Seventh... I meant to help with my experience, and people that play with me ig know my worth as a player, the rest just don't know and can only go off of what they read...

Here in guildwarsguru, land of trolls and a handful of helpful people, I find a lot of opposition and no solutions... people hop into threads and oppose or flame... that shit is childish, bro. The fact that you can't see beyond that shows how hampered you are intellectually... closed off to anything other than the cool crowds guidelines. Lastly, until you best me in PvP, which is the only standard I can see that would prove whether I am right or wrong, I sadly see that all you are doing is talking, and I really just want to prove a point by spiking you to death ig.... *sigh* but, I don't know what I am talking about. I am a neolithic punk, that actually set a challenge here for people to PvP me and see where their builds get them??? And no takers, just people calling me childish. Childish is saying to find me irl and fight me. Calling you to prove yourself ig is me lifting your skirt up and showing the forum that you are afraid of the fact that I would post screens of your dead character and me sitting on him.

Lastly, to the OP, I am sorry if anything I have said is misleading or negative. I actually originally meant to be helpful. However, as you will quickly learn here... guildwarsguru isn't about the community, it is about people putting others down because they can hide behind anonymity and jaded perspectives. If you want to be the uber leet Ranger that everyone else is... go to pvxwiki and carbon copy yourself. You will fit in until another standard is set. Until then... I will continue to do what I do best...

Feb 28, 2008, 03:42 PM // 15:42	#23
The Way Out Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In my peanut brain Guild: Zomg Zombies [OMG] Profession: Mo/E	I am saying that you should have 32-35 available to you with weapon swapping as a Ranger. I maintain that opinion based off of personal preference and I don't pvxwiki builds... as many do here. I also PvP/PvE and remain unbiased when it comes to standards that people swear by. If you are a good player (average)... then stick with higher energy, because in the event that you begin to spam... which many people do... you have a larger pool to play with and aren't limited to slow pip regen. If you are a great player... you wouldn't be asking any of us and you know about synergy and e-management. Lastly, if you are here to trash talk me, see me in PvP and let that determine things. Also, bring your cookie-cutter gimmicks and I will let my builds either stand or fall to them. I know my worth as a player and trust my judgment. Personally, I go for 32-35 energy as a Ranger with a weapon swap, and normally cast a high prep early on. In PvP, I normally go R/P and utilize echoes. To each his own. It works for me. I maintain high health and a good pool of energy. It my energy gets tapped I don't suffer the same as Magebanes or Melandru's... or whatever other standard there is now. Also... I use spears as a Ranger... go figure. hahahaha

Feb 28, 2008, 05:42 PM // 17:42	#27
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	The best way to have your "energy increase" is to manage your energy better. I used to use a +15/-1 regen wand on my ele all the time when I was new to the game. Then I started to manage my energy better and now I never need that much. Put more points in expertise, don't spam interupts on recharge, and take more 5 energy rather then 10 energy attack skills.

Feb 28, 2008, 07:02 PM // 19:02	#32
Razz Thom Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2007 Guild: Three Feet Below Sea [LevL] Profession: D/Mo	I have to say that 27 may be low for your ranger but I only have 25 energy on mine and I never remember to swap my bow out (probably because I never run out of energy). Self control and skill use determine good ranger use not 32-35 energy. If you can't fight out of a hole with 1/3 that amount something may not be right. This isn't a personal attack, just a simple observation. Expertise > huge e-pool.

Feb 28, 2008, 07:37 PM // 19:37	#34
The Meth Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2007 Profession: R/	On the other hand, you can think of it this way: If you have a good team, you will not die, whether your health is 500 or 600 If you have more energy, you may be able to use more skills in a battle. In this case armor and health provide nothing, energy has some bonus.

Feb 29, 2008, 01:59 PM // 13:59	#35
The Way Out Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In my peanut brain Guild: Zomg Zombies [OMG] Profession: Mo/E	Just a packhunter alone... nevermind other builds... requires far more than 27 energy. That is a point I am attempting to make right now. [skill]Rampage As One[/skill] is 25 energy. Try casting that after getting rezzed in PvP with 27 energy and tell me how that works for you?

Feb 29, 2008, 04:01 PM // 16:01	#38
ender6 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2006 Profession: Mo/	You are apparently as bright as your Avatar suggests. You don't know how to argue. A novice ranger came onto a Q&A forum asking for advice about energy, you replied tersely stating that 27 energy is low for a GOOD ranger. Which in and of itself is ridiculous. Further, you then claimed you were completely refering to weapon swap methods. Then you proceeded to challenge anyone willing to a PvP 1x1 (what the hell that would prove makes little sense to me). Then you followed that up with a spear chucker build as an example of what exactly? Learn to compose your thoughts and articulate them in a proper fashion and stop going on the defensive. You mispoke, fine. Suck it up and move on. Stop behaving like a neolithic punk. This has boiled down to you making an idiot of yourself. You really shouldn't be giving advice, you should be taking it.

Feb 29, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13	#39
quickmonty Ancient Windbreaker Join Date: May 2005	I pity the guy that originally asked the question. His head is now spinning from all this. Please remember that Q&A is just that .... for questions and answers. Take the tech talk over to an appropriate forum and argue there as much as you want. People asking questions here want relatively simple answers. And the challenge to 1vs1 PvP is just childish.